Buenos Aires 105 Final
Recap | Box Score
122 Toronto

P. Siakam 24 MIN | 8-10 FG | 0-0 3FG | 0-2 FT | 4 REB | 3 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 16 PTS | +7 +/-Pascal continues to be everywhere in the preseason. Incredibly active when he’s on the floor, he showcased his skills hitting a nice jumper from just inside the three-point line, and also having a nice take off the dribble.

L. Nogueira 19 MIN | 1-2 FG | 0-0 3FG | 3-4 FT | 4 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 2 BLK | 0 TO | 5 PTS | +2 +/-Bebe had a quiet night. Although he had a couple blocked shots, for the most part, he wasn’t terribly visible on the floor. Against competition below the NBA level, I simply expected at this point in his career, for Bebe to be more visible in this game.

F. VanVleet 38 MIN | 12-19 FG | 2-3 3FG | 5-7 FT | 5 REB | 5 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 31 PTS | +25 +/-Very impressive night from Van Vleet. Showed his range, but was at his best off the dribble, attacking the basket. Kept the offense going in the second half with Powell out.

D. Crawford 35 MIN | 6-10 FG | 3-3 3FG | 2-4 FT | 5 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 17 PTS | +16 +/-Crawford had a solid offensive showing, hitting all 3 of his 3-pt attempts, but he struggled at times defensively, losing shooters. Also had a sequence where he turned the ball over off the dribble and took a foul trying to steal it back on the other hand.

N. Powell 24 MIN | 6-8 FG | 1-1 3FG | 4-4 FT | 1 REB | 4 AST | 3 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 17 PTS | +12 +/-Norm was the best player on the court when he was out there, and he took advantage. Attacked the basket relentlessly, creating for other when the defense collapsed, and throwing down 3 thunderous dunks when given space.

J. Uthoff 8 MIN | 0-1 FG | 0-0 3FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -11 +/-Uthoff only played 8 minutes, and although he had a few offensive boards, there wasn’t a lot to talk about with his performance. Also finished with a team-low -11.

B. Caboclo 20 MIN | 3-6 FG | 0-1 3FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 6 PTS | +14 +/-Bruno is always an adventure when he’s on the court. Gets a nice steal, a block, or scores a nice basket, and then on the next play, he’ll take a bad foul. He’s not there yet, but his defensive instincts are definitely improving.

E.J. Singler 21 MIN | 3-7 FG | 2-6 3FG | 2-2 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 10 PTS | +1 +/-Singler had a rough first half, looking largely invisible when he was on the court and out of the play. Came out better in the second half, hit some shots and looked a lot more comfortable.

Y. Moreira 5 MIN | 0-0 FG | 0-0 3FG | 0-2 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -5 +/-Moreira only played for one 5 minute stretch tonight, and my only note on him is that he’s still incredibly raw, needs a lot of work.

J. Poeltl 24 MIN | 6-9 FG | 0-0 3FG | 0-3 FT | 6 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 12 PTS | +20 +/-A nice line for Poeltl tonight, but he looked very tentative defensively, and it felt like he was trying to think about the right play instead of making it often. Still, scored with ease at times and showed signs of the talent that had him drafted 9th.

B. Heslip 22 MIN | 2-5 FG | 2-4 3FG | 2-2 FT | 1 REB | 5 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 8 PTS | +4 +/-Heslip missed his first two attempts from long range but found his stroke later in the game. He’s a great shooter who can’t be left open and also had some nice assists tonight.

Dwane CaseyHard to evaluate Casey on a night when all of his regulars were sitting, and he was mostly trying to find out what the young guys had.

Five Things We Saw

  1. Early in the game, the offense was having a hard time getting anything going without Powell in the game. There wasn’t a whole lot of ball movement, but in the second half Heslip and Van Vleet took over.
  2. Defensively the Raptors lost shooters repeatedly, throughout the game, and they allowed San Lorenzo to shoot 15 for 29 from long range tonight.
  3. San Lorenzo aggressively trapped the ball handlers in the pick and roll all night, and at times the Raptors guards struggled with this. Norm simply attacked the double with speed, which opened up space for easy dunks.
  4. Rex Kalamian came out at half-time and said he wanted the team to play faster, and attack in transition. The Raptors were one of the slowest teams in the league last year, so it’ll be interesting to see if they try to play with pace this season.
  5. Clearly, from preseason and summer league, Norman Powell simply doesn’t belong in games like this, against lesser talent. He’s too good, and it shows.
  • justsayin

    Commercial in the Jays game. What did I miss?

  • Wild-ling #1


    L. Nogueira
    19 MIN | 1-2 FG | 4 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 2 BLK | 0 TO | 5 PTS | +2 +/- … B-

    J. Poeltl
    24 MIN | 6-9 FG | 6 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 12 PTS | +20 +/- …B … Really???

    Lucas was nearly invisible. If he doesn’t do it with his length, it doesn’t usually happen (I think he’s a good screener, though). Meanwhile, Poeltl was everywhere. Hedging. Filling the lane. Helping. Helping some more. Rebounds. Put backs. …

    Am I the only one who thinks that MAYBE (as neither had the advantage of playing with starters) the +/- differential was probably not a coincidence?

    Bismack was also very active. Though Poeltl isn’t as athletic, he’s only going to get more effective with all his activity. And he’ll score (without plays being called for him). This round went decisively to Jakob, I’d say.

    • Mike$

      I thought Bebe like you mentioned did a fantastic job with his screens tonight and he did a decent job defending, even bothering the guards dribble a few times while hedging. Setting good screens and playing good D is all that will be asked of either C with the Raps. I guess I seen a few different things from poeltl defensivly, sure he looked good most possessions but there was also some rookie mistakes. Really thought Bebe was the better player on that end tonight which is probably whats more important for the Raps.

      Poeltl showed a lot of polish offensively and his drive from outside the ark was slick. Don’t really care what the grades are but I would of gave Poeltl the higher grade, even though i think Bebe showed more of what Casey wants. Definitely assume Moreira is rightfully graded on a curve.

      • Wild-ling #1

        Plus-20 versus Plus-2, though? And did you notice all the Sn Lorenzo bigs hitting the deck (5 fouls for Poeltl)?

        P and LN were playing with the same guys … But San Lorenzo only had a shot, on night versus the Raptor hopefuls, when Poeltl hit the bench.

        A set of facts which interprets itself, really ….

        • Noelle

          Gotta love what 20 year old Jakob is showing!

          • Wild-ling #1

            I know – four partil games in. I feel bad for Bebe. Nice guy. Finishing last … 🙁

        • Mike$

          Find it hard to read into +/- too much in a preseason game. A guy can play a five minute stretch terribly than wake up and play great. Just so much inconsistency. I think Poeltl had a great game, better than Bebe for sure. But Bebe didn’t really make mistakes and played good D. If the back up minutes were Bebe’s before the game i think he did enough to hold onto them.

          Is it really bad for bebe that this discussion is even happening? Yes and it really doesn’t bode well for how long it will take Poeltl to replace him. But for now imo Bebe did enough to hold onto the 3rd string center.

          • Wild-ling #1

            There’s really not much to “read into” +20, versus +2. Unless they’re playing with (or against) different units – pre-seson or not.

            With KL and Cojo, DD and TR, DC, Ppat, Sully and JV all sitting, Van Vleet ran the offense well. But San Lorenzo looked A-Ok! on offense, with Bebe out there. And it wasn’t “one 5-minutes stretch”, either … the margin grew and shrank every time they changed places …

            Thanks for the Casey clip. But I think one has to read that (especially as Casey loves to look at the numbers right after a game) as much more of message to the (veteran) Bebe than to the rookie Jakob.

            After all, only ONE them is really in any career danger, if Casey is truly upset. That much MUST be true … 🙁

            • Noelle

              When every single player has recited the “camp is about defense” mantra, and the kids didn’t deliver it, good on Casey for the rant

              • Wild-ling #1

                I don’t know. I’m not so impressed with Casey’s rant. They’re a pro team. Flew all the

                • Noelle

                  He doesn’t do it often, and it was a little tough love to the kids appropriate moment that I’m fine with

                • Wild-ling #1

                  Yeah, ok. 🙂

      • steve fisher

        Poeltl had the second highest + – of 20 along with 12 points and 6 Rebs !!! He is so superior to Bebe on both sides of the ball by being in the right spot most of the time. On D he alters so many shots has soft hands and a quick and accurate shot !! Bebe gets beaten so many times on D because he doesn’t stay with his check is too light and physically too weak to handle the physicality of most Bigs Both JP and PS had a huge advantage of playing in and being coached by excellent coaches in the NCAA making BOTH much more complete players who have improved more in the last couple of months than Bebe has in the last 3 years !!! As Vince Carter said this battle IS OVER !

        • Mike$

          I’d bet on Bebe being ahead of Poeltl in the rotation to start the year. Doubt he stays ahead in the rotation long though. Poeltl learning more than bebe in the last 3 months than Bebe has over 3 years might be true lol

          • Wild-ling #1

            He was knocking guys on their ass tonight, too. He competes … he’s never floating.

            He’ll get more decisive, too, as he learns the systems, our personnel and the league (even normal game prep, practices and watching film will help). 🙂

            • Mike$

              Have to love the compete level of all of MU’s draft choices (unless I just can’t think of one). Guys all have heart which is great to see. Even if they don’t turn out at least you can say its not because of lack of effort (sorry bargs, but you’ve scared generations of raptors fans).

              Watching film is one of the most under rated aspects of improving imo. How many guys get hurt and take a few months off where all they can do is watch film and learn from the bench and come back better players. Happened to JV last year and DD the year before.

  • arsenalist

    Can I just say that I really expected there to be a space between Van and Vleet, and the fact that his name is VanVleet without a space is the biggest surprise of the pre-season?

    • Wild-ling #1

      If you’re not calling him Van Fleet, you’re waaaay ahead of the game 🙂

      Think any of Cory, Delon or Freddie has any real chance to be a starter?

      • Noelle

        If Cory’s preseason shooting is sustainable, yes

        • Mike$

          Looked super good in the mid range out of the pick and roll. That’d be huge for us.

        • Dunkenstein

          If not, he is still a primo NBA back up pg.

      • Mike$

        I would think Cory has the best chance. Even at that it would have to be a crappy team, or a team next to a player like Harden who has the ball in his hands a lot. Its weird because I see him as a top 30 point guard but his skill set is just extremely well suited to the bench. He can play less minutes so when he’s out there he can absolutely get up into the guy and exert a ton of energy playing D. And his defence and driving ability are fantastic but his passing and shooting aren’t quite on the level of the average starter.

        I don’t think Vanvleet has much of a chance. He’s played some good D but I have no clue how he’d defend against guys like Westbrook. The things that make him good are already at a really high level and he’s so calm its hard to see him improving in the the area’s he’s good at. And lots of the things like athleticism and size aren’t getting better so it puts a limit on improving his weaknesses. Really solid player but like any undrafted player I’d put his odds of starting really really low.

        Delon is a weird one. I didn’t really watch him in college at all and we haven’t seen much of him in the NBA. I think he has room to improve because his defence wasn’t quite what it was expected to be as a 4 year defensive college player. With his size he should become better defensively. 24 years old though and his shot still looks suspect which i think really hurts his chances. He looked good for stints last year which is nice and was a lot better offensively in the Dleague than expected.Don’t really want to make a call on a guy i’m rather uninformed about but if forced i’d peg him as a second stringer.

        On a side note, Vanvleet looked great tonight. Wonder if there will be a fight for minutes as the 3rd string pg between him and delon.

        • Wild-ling #1

          One game. Versus some Spanish guys. 🙂

          But that’s a Russel Westbrook stat line up there (aside from more missed threes!)

          I think Cory, Delon and Van Vleet can all be NBA back-ups, based on their D. They’ve all got some poise, character and confidence, too. But I have a sneaking suspicion that Van Vleet might be the guy who steps up his shooting – And that that’s all it will take for any of them …

          (wouldn’t bet against any of them though … which is cool … 🙂

          • Mike$

            Yeah i’m sticking with Cory as the most likely to be a starter though. He’s just so much better than either Vanvleet or Delon at this stage. I just don’t think Vanvleet has the tools to get on his level defensively and delon might not have the speed.

            I thought Cory was the best defender on the Raps last year (impressed me more than biz) and one of the best in the NBA at fighting over picks

            • Wild-ling #1

              Cory’s a wonderful defender, a gritty player and great guy. With a future. 🙂

          • Noelle

            This organization values character, and it’s starting to pay dividends, eh

        • Dunkenstein

          How many pg’s in the league do look good defending Westbrook?

          I think VV has a better all around game than does Wright.

          • Mike$

            I didn’t just mean westbrook, i meant the bigger more athletic points in general, but yeah westbrook makes everyone look bad lol.

            Agreed about vanvleets all around game,he’s really well rounded. I think how steady and consistent he should be will be solid as a back up. He competes on defence, can run the pick and roll, and shoot the 3. I think once he plays against bigger competition though he’ll have trouble scoring in the paint. Even against college competition he struggled to score inside the arc.

            This is where Delon, even though not as well rounded, might end up being the better back up. He’s not explosive either, but he’s long for a pg and can snake to the rim to finish. He’s also a really good passer even though he hasn’t shown the steadiness of vanvleet. Delon also projects to be a better defender.

            Should be interesting to see how those 2 compete once delon is healthy.

  • Noelle

    Great game watching all the kids in what was a real game for them. With Delon down for a couple of months(?) yet, can’t see them not keeping VV for that 15th spot. No superstar potential, but damn he’s a baller. Our two draft picks looking good! Great to see Norm strutting his stuff. Bruno showing signs of promise! The development program looking great!

  • steve fisher

    Just some observations from the last couple of games as well as a few observations and intriguing comments, focusing on strengths and weaknesses ending with recommended changes in style of play !! The 3 ESPN analysists were Hall of Famers Isaiah Thomas, Bret Berry ( Bones ) and Grant Hill !!! They noted that the Raps had the second slowest pace of play in the league which helps explain why the Raps seem to go through scoring droughts ! I’m encouraged with both PS and JP because they both really fight to get the Reb and once secured the first thing they do is to LOOK and execute the quick outlet pass and then race down the floor often for a 2on 1 or 2 on 3 for an easy layup or good shot before the get back and set on D ! By regularly running their opponents they tire them out making them less effective on D and O as well as getting some EASY baskets ! This works even better this year with more speed and depth on the team allowing the Raps to keep everyone better rested ! They also mentioned a major weakness in the lack of spacing coupled with the 2 nd Lowest ASSIST total in the League second only to the sad sack Lakers ! This is the result of their 2 All Stars dominating the style of play with inefficient ISO ball which leads to far to many badly forced shots and turnovers ! This year long BAD HABIT is also very tiring because it results in a lot of physical contact and being knocked to the floor !!! Because of the lack of sharing the rest of the team stops moving and they miss so many good open shots !! Isiah Thomas the Hall OF Famer said this ISO style is disastrous in the playoffs because it makes them so predictable and the simply double team the ball handler because they are so PREDICTABLE and so unlikely to pass to a teammate! This explains why both all stars have struggled and had major scoring droughts in the last 3 years of playoffs ! He said if they want to go deeper in the playoffs they must have a third option namely JV one of the most efficient inside scorers in the league which lakessome pressure and wear and tear off themselves ! It also makes them less predictable ! Most great teams have had an effective INSIDE/OUT game ! Many teams have NO answer for JV .Take advantage of this, it’s a no brainer ! The coaches should encourage this and draw up some plays for JV

    • Mike$

      Just so much wrong with this comment. Look up some statistics before saying all this stuff you seem to believe as fact.

    • Noelle

      clueless,,, errr steve fisher,
      I should have brushed this diarrhea aside at the self congratulatory “insightful comments” mark, but read on for expected amusement. Most of it was “not a clue” ISO babble. Breaking news: the Raptors run ISO 8% of their possessions, yeah that’s 8 times out of a hundred,. Thing is they are also one of the best in the league at it, and unlike this babble, it creates very few TOs, which the Raptors happen to be 4th lowest in TOs in the league.

      • Wild-ling #1

        Surely we can be more gracious …? I agree the second half of the remarks seem kind of re-cycled. The early bits about getting out on transition faster with Jakob and Pascl’s ball-handling and running (versus Biz and Luis) seems fair enough … ?

        (Sorry – I know I’m not your mum. Not applying for the job, either, No-No. 🙂

        • Noelle

          could be wrong, but I think this character shows up once a week or so and rants the same shit, over and over. Sooner or later, I toss whatever grace I got left in me to the wolves 😉
          The Grump

          • Wild-ling #1

            Glad few of us were around to discuss the game, anyway 🙂

    • Jcrex

      Yes raptors play at a slow pace with hardly any passing. It boosts out defensive rating from less plays and boosts off rating from low turnovers. But yes same old shit is going to get the same results

      • Noelle

        Amazing how strategy to fit your players helps make a team do well, eh. Same results? 56 wins and a shot at the LeBrons in the ECF? Sign me up!

    • Coulj

      Great post! We have been complaining about this issue for years, it is nice to hear experts make the same points.

  • Ahhhhgeez…

    Am I the only one who isn’t seeing the player write ups?

    • Wild-ling #1

      Apparently – i.e.:

      F. VanVleet
      38 MIN | 12-19 FG | 2-3 3FG | 5-7 FT | 5 REB | 5 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 31 PTS | +25 +/-
      Very impressive night from Van Vleet. Showed his range, but was at his best off the dribble, attacking the basket. Kept the offense going in the second half with Powell out.

  • raptorfan07

    Bruno is a fucking joke as a player and i will be happy to see this wasted pick gone sooner then later.